Princess Eugenie's new arms?

[Baron P A & HA]

Does anyone know how they changed since her marriage on Friday?

[Peter Howarth]

Post by Baron P A & HA
Does anyone know how they changed since her marriage on Friday?

Why should they have changed? As Mrs Brooksbank, she is still a granddaughter of the sovereign. It would appear that the couple are not concerned about their heraldry, since their wedding would have been the normal time to have made any official announcement. Coats of arms are not compulsory. Good luck to them!

Peter Howarth

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The groom is the male-line descendant of a younger son of a baronet (the heir to the baronetcy read a reading at the service); so he is almost definitely armigerous.

[Peter Howarth]

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The groom is the male-line descendant of a younger son of a baronet (the heir to the baronetcy read a reading at the service); so he is almost definitely armigerous.

I take your point. But there is heraldry in theory and heraldry in practice. As eldest son, I inherited my father's arms, but I never use them in public. My house is not the kind to display a banner, and I no longer wear my father's signet ring now that wax seals have disappeared. Nor do my children bother. For them heraldry is pretty much irrelevant nowadays. In practice, they have no coat of arms. I see their point. The original purpose of heraldry, as personal identification on seals and over armour, petered out in the fifteenth century and heraldry became simply a status symbol. That's why my research into mediaeval heraldry only goes as far as 1400 or shortly after.

Mr and Mrs Brooksbank have no title and may feel that heraldry too is not important. That seems a perfectly rational approach. The royal family and the aristocracy may still have uses for their arms. But others can only fabricate excuses to use theirs. And when they do, nobody recognises them, so the point of the heraldry is lost.

Peter Howarth

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That's...With all due respect pretty irrelevant to this conversation. The groom is armigerous, entitled to arms, and entitled to use them should he so wish, as opposed to someone like Mike Tindall who is and remains a non-armiger. Whether he wishes to use them or not is pretty immaterial.

[Peter Howarth]

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That's...With all due respect pretty irrelevant to this conversation. The groom is armigerous, entitled to arms, and entitled to use them should he so wish, as opposed to someone like Mike Tindall who is and remains a non-armiger. Whether he wishes to use them or not is pretty immaterial.

We may have come to different views about the question. I thought it was about how her arms *have* changed. Do you feel it was about how they *might* change?

If we are looking at the second way, then I agree with you entirely.

Peter Howarth

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Well I managed to find the arms of the Brookesback baronets:

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[3ARwun]

Post by Peter Howarth
I inherited my father's arms, but I never use them in public. My house is not the kind to display a banner, and I no longer wear my father's signet ring now that wax seals have disappeared. Nor do my children bother. For them heraldry is pretty much irrelevant nowadays. In practice, they have no coat of arms. I see their point. The original purpose of heraldry, as personal identification on seals and over armour, petered out in the fifteenth century and heraldry became simply a status symbol. That's why my research into mediaeval heraldry only goes as far as 1400 or shortly after.
Mr and Mrs Brooksbank have no title and may feel that heraldry too is not important. That seems a perfectly rational approach. The royal family and the aristocracy may still have uses for their arms. But others can only fabricate excuses to use theirs. And when they do, nobody recognises them, so the point of the heraldry is lost.
Peter Howarth

I certainly can't deny any of that. We once had a thread on modern uses of heraldry and didn't come up with much. One poster would put his arms on his luggage and luggage tag at the airport to make getting out of baggage claim easier while still accurate. Another used an armorial banner as a rally point for special needs kids on outings at Disney and etc. There were two others I don't remember. I don't particularly like the idea of using a picture as an icon for facebook/twitter and use arms instead. Other than that, it's fading fast....