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for Nicolai
2013-09-18 14:18:49 UTC
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this is showing up in an Auction House

marriage or general relations ???

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o***@gmail.com
2013-09-18 14:48:53 UTC
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These are of course marital Arms. The Arms to the dexter are those of Alfred, second eldest son of Queen Victoria of the United Kingdom and Duke of Edinburgh and Sovereign Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha from 1893 to 1900. The Arms to the sinister are those of his wife who was a Grand Duchess of Russia. The Arms depicted as regards Alfred are his as Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha and not as a child of the British Sovereign.
e***@yahoo.fr
2013-09-18 17:29:42 UTC
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Post by o***@gmail.com
These are of course marital Arms. The Arms to the dexter are those of Alfred, second eldest son of Queen Victoria of the United Kingdom and Duke of Edinburgh and Sovereign Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha from 1893 to 1900. The Arms to the sinister are those of his wife who was a Grand Duchess of Russia. The Arms depicted as regards Alfred are his as Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha and not as a child of the British Sovereign.
Heraldic dexter?
for Nicolai
2013-09-18 22:26:15 UTC
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- cadency mark ?
- Scottish Lion ?
- Russian double headed Eagle?
o***@gmail.com
2013-09-19 12:45:38 UTC
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i.There is a cadency label on the inescutcheon of Alfred's Arms (which are his Arms in right of the UK).
ii.The Arms of junior members of the Russian Imperial family did not use marks of cadency and were not differenced on the shield but by the external ornaments.
iii.I see what you mean as regards the Arms of Scotland in Alfred's Arms-that is either a mistake, or that part of the Arms has been damaged in some way.
iv.That is the Russian Imperial eagle-a double headed Eagle Sable on a field Or, with an inescutcheon Gules depicting St. George on horseback slaying the dragon.
Andrew Chaplin
2013-09-19 13:32:23 UTC
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Post by o***@gmail.com
i.There is a cadency label on the inescutcheon of Alfred's Arms (which
are his Arms in right of the UK). ii.The Arms of junior members of the
Russian Imperial family did not use marks of cadency and were not
differenced on the shield but by the external ornaments. iii.I see what
you mean as regards the Arms of Scotland in Alfred's Arms-that is
either a mistake, or that part of the Arms has been damaged in some
way. iv.That is the Russian Imperial eagle-a double headed Eagle Sable
on a field Or, with an inescutcheon Gules depicting St. George on
horseback slaying the dragon.
Quite a piece!
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for Nicolai
2013-09-19 15:48:28 UTC
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- cadency mark ?
- Scottish Lion ?
- Russian double headed Eagle?
Sorry for the misunderstanding, I was thinking in too short terms,

I believe that these are mistakes from somebody who refeshed the paint,
or am I mistaken?

- Cadency ..should be Argent not Or?
- Schottish Arms wrong tinctures and only partially correct?
- Double headed eagle, shouldn't have gules heads, the eagle should be all sable!
o***@gmail.com
2013-09-19 16:20:13 UTC
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I think the first and the third points can be attributed to wear and tear and discolouration over the years. The heads in my humble opinion look brunatre rather than Gules, which I think is just artistic license. The second you are quite right, is incorrect, though that could also be explained by damage and/or discolouration.
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