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London Peruke-Makers
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Joseph McMillan
2008-08-27 13:23:59 UTC
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For a research project on guild heraldry, does anyone have information
on what arms, if any, might have been borne by the Company of Peruke
Makers of London, before their demise?

Thanks,

Joseph McMillan
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2008-08-28 00:09:44 UTC
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Post by Joseph McMillan
For a research project on guild heraldry, does anyone have information
on what arms, if any, might have been borne by the Company of Peruke
Makers of London, before their demise?
Thanks,
Joseph McMillan
Hi Joe,

I couldn't find anything related to London, but Dublin had the Guild
of Barber Surgeons & Periwigmakers. Perhaps something similar in
London?

source:http://www.prlog.org/10100894-origins-network-genealogy-news-
barack-obamas-irish-family-the-kearneys.html

"... We also found within the extended Kearney family an early
involvement in politics. Michael Kearney kinsman, (probably older
brother) of Joseph Kearney, entered the Guild of Barber Surgeons &
Periwigmakers in 1717, and was entered as a ‘Capillamentarius’, i.e. a
hair dresser in the Freemen Rolls in 1718...."

Regards,
--Guy Power
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2008-08-28 00:48:35 UTC
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Joe,

Newcastle-Upon-Tyne (okay, a bit of a commute vis-a-vis London)

<b>Barber Surgeons, Wax and Tallow Chandlers and Periwig makers</b>:
Ordinary of 1671 (copy of c1900); minutes 1616-1941; order books
1619-1721, 1801-1821; admissions 1723-1938; apprentice enrolments
1723-1854; attendance register 1831-1897; deeds 1846-1850; plans
c1840s; apprenticeship indentures 1697-1782 (indexed) Ref: GU/BS (part
MF), 298
http://www.tyneandweararchives.org.uk/userguides/07guildrecords.htm

So the London Guild very likely *was* combined with the Barber
Chirgeons.


--Guy
Joseph McMillan
2008-08-28 01:02:00 UTC
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So the London Guild very likely *was* combined with the Barber
Chirgeons.
Thanks, Guy, I think that's probably right.

Let me be a bit more forthcoming with what I'm up to.

I'm trying to track possible design relationships between arms used by
craft organizations in the early US and similar groups in the UK. In
the 1788 "Grand Federal Procession" in Philadelphia, the barbers and
peruke makers marched as a single unit with arms that included "Azure
a pelican and her young proper" (for the barbers?) and "Sable a goat
rampant in full coat Argent" (for the peruke makers). In the New York
procession a few weeks later, the hairdressers and peruke makers bore
"a wig in quarters with three razors on top of the arms for a crest."
Neither of these resemble any barbers' arms I've been able to find,
and I'm trying to determine whether they bear any relationship to arms
used at any point by peruke/periwig makers or hairdressers in England.

Joe McMillan
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2008-08-28 01:08:52 UTC
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And *if* the Company of Peruke Makers were associated with the Company
of Barbers; here's the Coat of Arms for the Worshipful Company of
Barbers:
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Appears to be quarterly Barbers & Surgeons???

And here is the "badge" granted them:
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"...one of the oldest possessions of the Company - the Ordinance book
of the Fellowship of Surgeons, shows the badge granted to the
Fellowship by King Henry VII in 1492. The two patron saints of the
surgeons, Saints Cosmos and Damien, flank the crowned rose."

The Opinicus is their crest; here's a stained glass window recently
installed in the Hall
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*IF* periwigmakers were once in the Guild .... hope I'm not wasting
your time.

--Guy
Joseph McMillan
2008-08-28 01:51:30 UTC
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*IF* periwigmakers were once in the Guild .... hope I'm not wasting
your time.
No, not at all. Digging through what you sent before and doing some
extra googling, it looks as if some of the barbers went into periwig
making when wigs came into style in the 17th century--it would make
sense that periwig making would not have been one of the medieval
trades, of course. Then when wigs went out of fashion they went back
to being barbers. I'm guessing that if there was an organization of
wig makers in London, they never had arms, which would imply that the
two American designs (goat rampant and "a wig in quarters," whatever
that means) were original compositions.

Joe
Derek Howard
2008-08-28 11:34:16 UTC
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Post by g***@yahoo.com
*IF* periwigmakers were once in the Guild .... hope I'm not wasting
your time.
No, not at all.  Digging through what you sent before and doing some
extra googling, it looks as if some of the barbers went into periwig
making when wigs came into style in the 17th century--it would make
sense that periwig making would not have been one of the medieval
trades, of course.  Then when wigs went out of fashion they went back
to being barbers.  I'm guessing that if there was an organization of
wig makers in London, they never had arms, which would imply that the
two American designs (goat rampant and "a wig in quarters," whatever
that means) were original compositions.
Joe
Certainly some barber-surgeons did make perukes/wigs. I have in the
past researched one individual in early 18th century Hull who combined
these activities.

As for institutional history: In London the Barbers (who also did
surgery) were incorporated in 1461 with a separate company of surgeons
later. An Act of Parliament of 38 Henry VIII united them, confirmed by
Charles I. In 1745 the surgeons were set up as a separate company and
were incorporated by Act of Parliament.

And for arms:
The Barbers bore: quarterly 1&4 Sable a chevron between three fleams
argent (granted to the surgeons in 1452); 2&3 per pale Argent and Vert
a spatula in pale Argent surmounted by a rose Gules charged with
another Argent the first rose crowned proper. Between the four
quarters a cross of St George Gules charged with a lion passant Or.
Crest: an oppinicus with wings indorsed Or.
Supporters: Two lynxes proper spotted of various colours, ducally
gorged and chained Argent.
These arms were granted 1561.

The equivalent Exeter guild bore: quarterly Sable and Argent over all
on a cross Gules a lion passant gardant Or, on quarters 1&4 a chevron
between three fleams Argent, 2&3 a rose Gules seeded Or barbed Vert
crowned proper.

The Surgeons company of London bore: quarterly 1&4 a serpent nowed
with head erect Vert, 2&3 a lion couchant proper, over all on a cross
engrailed Azure a regal crown between 2 portcullises in fesse and 2
anchors in pale of the first.
(Edmondson: A Complete Body of Heraldry, 1780).

Nothing I am afraid that resembles the American goat or wig - perhaps
the old world arms were thought too English and too royalist.

Derek Howard

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