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2015-07-07 01:43:07 UTC
Hi all
I am researching the arms of the Rehbinder family, of Baltic origin. I have some questions about these arms, and I thought I would ask for help. According to what I've found, the original arms were roughly Or three crowned serpents pale-wise(?), and the crest is roughly a mirror? with two crowned serpents surrounding the base (like a caduceus) all between two wings.
Here is the blazon as given by Rietstap:
https://books.google.com/books?id=m6NAAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA865&lpg=PA865&dq=Rietstap++Rehbinder&source=bl&ots=OFMa2g8r3I&sig=IJFQiK5UGyyTt1IJHNIt0nQBhOw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-yabVc2XNM-KoQTbkKuYCg&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Rietstap%20%20Rehbinder&f=false
Here is an image of these arms:
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One apparent member of this family, Henrik von Rehbinder (1604-1680), was raised to the nobility in Sweden. He seems to have received new arms that are illustrated and blazoned on the website of the Swedish Riddarhuset: http://www.riddarhuset.se/att/rehbinder/
Presumably this blazon is taken from the original records of the Riddarhuset. I think I have been able to roughly translate the Swedish blazon, and I was able to find an image online that closely corresponds to this: Loading Image...
I find the presence of a quarter that appears very much like the arms of Norway (blazoned as a "krönte leijon, som hvardera hålla en norrsk vapn yxa eller bila") both fascinating and unexplained. But it is the central escutcheon and one of the two crests that really perplex me.
According to wikipedia, the ten stars refer to Henrik's ten sons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrik_von_Rehbinder
There are also three crowned number "3" numerals ("3:ne krönte treor"). These crowned numerals also appear in the crest flanking a sword piercing a human skull ("2:ne krönte treor visar ett uprättstående svärd med en dödskalle på spetsen ").
I am struck by the similarity of the three numerals and the three snakes in both versions of the arms. Both are crowned and squiggle-like. They also appear in the crest flanking a vertical object. I've even seen some paintings of these arms online that seem to blur the lines between these two crests...the numerals flanking what looks like a mirror: Loading Image...
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I wonder what is going on here. Perhaps some Swedish herald mistook the original Rehbinder snakes as numerals? Or perhaps the numerals were an intentional charge referring to some detail of Henrik's personal history. Or maybe I'm seeing patterns and similarities where none exist? Regrettably my linguistic limitations and ignorance of Swedish history are a hindrance. Does anybody have any information that can help?
Thank you!
I am researching the arms of the Rehbinder family, of Baltic origin. I have some questions about these arms, and I thought I would ask for help. According to what I've found, the original arms were roughly Or three crowned serpents pale-wise(?), and the crest is roughly a mirror? with two crowned serpents surrounding the base (like a caduceus) all between two wings.
Here is the blazon as given by Rietstap:
https://books.google.com/books?id=m6NAAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA865&lpg=PA865&dq=Rietstap++Rehbinder&source=bl&ots=OFMa2g8r3I&sig=IJFQiK5UGyyTt1IJHNIt0nQBhOw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-yabVc2XNM-KoQTbkKuYCg&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Rietstap%20%20Rehbinder&f=false
Here is an image of these arms:
Loading Image...
One apparent member of this family, Henrik von Rehbinder (1604-1680), was raised to the nobility in Sweden. He seems to have received new arms that are illustrated and blazoned on the website of the Swedish Riddarhuset: http://www.riddarhuset.se/att/rehbinder/
Presumably this blazon is taken from the original records of the Riddarhuset. I think I have been able to roughly translate the Swedish blazon, and I was able to find an image online that closely corresponds to this: Loading Image...
I find the presence of a quarter that appears very much like the arms of Norway (blazoned as a "krönte leijon, som hvardera hålla en norrsk vapn yxa eller bila") both fascinating and unexplained. But it is the central escutcheon and one of the two crests that really perplex me.
According to wikipedia, the ten stars refer to Henrik's ten sons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrik_von_Rehbinder
There are also three crowned number "3" numerals ("3:ne krönte treor"). These crowned numerals also appear in the crest flanking a sword piercing a human skull ("2:ne krönte treor visar ett uprättstående svärd med en dödskalle på spetsen ").
I am struck by the similarity of the three numerals and the three snakes in both versions of the arms. Both are crowned and squiggle-like. They also appear in the crest flanking a vertical object. I've even seen some paintings of these arms online that seem to blur the lines between these two crests...the numerals flanking what looks like a mirror: Loading Image...
Loading Image...
I wonder what is going on here. Perhaps some Swedish herald mistook the original Rehbinder snakes as numerals? Or perhaps the numerals were an intentional charge referring to some detail of Henrik's personal history. Or maybe I'm seeing patterns and similarities where none exist? Regrettably my linguistic limitations and ignorance of Swedish history are a hindrance. Does anybody have any information that can help?
Thank you!
