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A statement from Grand Duchess Maria Wladimirovna on the Order of Malta vis-a-vis self-styled "orders"
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Peter Kurrild-Klitgaard
2014-08-06 10:16:27 UTC
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For those with an interest in the many organizations calling themselves "order of Malta" or "order of Saint John" and claiming an origin in the so-called Grand Priory of Russia, this official Statement from the Chancellery of the Head of the Russian Imperial House, H.I.H. the Grand Duchess Maria of Russia, on the activities of organizations which falsely refer to themselves as the "Order of Malta":

http://imperialhouse.ru/eng/allnews/news/2014/4099.html

It says, i.a., that:

"The Chancellery of the Russian Imperial House occasionally receives inquiries from inpiduals and organizations about its relationship to groups that refer to themselves as the "Order of St. John of Jerusalem," including so called "Orthodox" and "Russian" "Orders of Malta," "Priories," "Commanderies," and so on.

In each such instance, it is necessary to clarify that no one has the legal right to use modified names or symbols of the Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of St. John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta (hereinafter referred to as the Sovereign Order of Malta), which has a unquestionable historical and legal continuity from the moment of its founding, and which is recognized as a sovereign entity under international law, and which maintains diplomatic relations with more than 100 States around the world.

The Orthodox Russian Grand Priory was founded by Emperor Paul I in 1798 and was abolished by Emperor Alexander I in 1817. Since then no legitimate authority has reestablished it. Local attempts to revive its activities on a legal basis have not been successful, and all "Orthodox Order of St. John" organizations are illegitimate and offer a means of deception, including the trafficking in false "knighthoods."

Unfortunately, sometimes members of ancient Russian noble families, some of whose ancestors were members of the genuine Sovereign Order of Malta, have taken part (presumably out of ignorance or carelessness) in the activities of some of these pseudo-Order of Malta organizations. This is especially regrettable because it discredits historic traditional values, and damages the good name of these ancient families and the reputations of their descendants in Russia and the world over.

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In conclusion, the following points should be emphasized:

1. The founding of the Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of St. John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta occurred before the formal schism of the Church into the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church in 1054, but all of its history and activities are connected with the Roman Catholic Church. Pope Paschal II formally recognized the Order and placed it under his protection in 1113. In this way, the Sovereign Order of Malta has always been and remains a Catholic Order. All assertions that the Order of Malta is "non-denominational" and "inter-confessional," or that it is "Masonic" and so on, are absurd and do not stand up to scrutiny.

2. Emperor Paul I of Russia was elected to the position of Grand Master at the most critical moment in the history of the Order of Malta. He saved it from destruction and sought to make it not only an Order of Chivalry of the Russian Empire, but also an influential global force in the struggle for the values of Christian civilization that are common to Orthodox and Catholics. That election, however, never received the necessary legal confirmation on an international level. Some violations of procedures in his election (for example, the inability of a large number of electors to participate in the election, as required by the Statute of the Order) could be considered insignificant and not affecting the legitimacy of the outcome of the election, especially in view of the extreme situation in a Europe that was then being torn apart by revolution and war. Even so, the lack of any formal recognition of the legality of the election of Paul I by Pope Pius VI and Pius VII makes it impossible to consider him Grand Master de jure. He is properly honoured as the Protector of the Order and as de facto Grand Master only.

3. The Orthodox Grand Priory of Russia, and the activities of the Order of Malta inside the Russian Empire, were entirely abolished in 1817 by Emperor Alexander I, and there has not been any legitimate restoration.

4. Attempts by descendants of the Russian Orthodox Noble (hereditary) Commanders of the Order of Malta to revive the "Orthodox Grand Priory of Russia" after 1917 have not been successful. The historical memorial association that was established after the Russian Revolution was formed legitimately and for a time even enjoyed the support of the Russian Imperial House and the Sovereign Order of Malta. However, unauthorized actions by this organization in the 1970s deprived it of recognition from the House of Romanoff and the Sovereign Order of Malta.

5. All so-called "Orthodox" and other false "Orders of Malta" are, at best, a kind of childish game and, at worst, a source of fraud and political provocation. The philanthropic slogans of such organizations serve only as a cover for harmful activities. Belonging to a false order conveys no rights or duties of any sort, and certainly none of the rights or duties belonging to genuine knights of the Sovereign Order of Malta.

6. Protestant Orders of St. John (in Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden, and Great Britain) share the same historic tradition and the same mission of the Sovereign Order of Malta: giving assistance to the sick and the poor. These four orders have gained recognition by virtue of their having been instituted by the legitimate hereditary sovereigns of these nations, and by the subsequent recognition of them by the Sovereign Order of Malta. There is no possible comparison between these Protestant Orders of St. John and the clearly false "Orthodox Orders of Malta."

7. Any person who elects to enter one of the false "Orders of Malta" or who supports any contact with them, risks becoming a victim of deception and of suffering reputation or financial loss."

Best wishes,

Peter Kurrild-Klitgaard
for Nicolai
2014-09-11 13:59:41 UTC
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hmmmm .... !!! ??? not quite right, Peter!
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... should be corrected to almost 30 years of service!

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for Nicolai
2014-09-11 14:02:37 UTC
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and of course 1876!

http://periodika.lndb.lv/periodika2-viewer/view/index-dev.html#panel:pp|issue:/p_003_rist1876n30|article:DIVL53|query:Martynoff|issueType:P
for Nicolai
2014-09-13 10:21:02 UTC
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two links didn't work, but they weren't that important,
useful only for the bigger picture

1899
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for Nicolai
2014-09-13 10:23:41 UTC
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I'll guess you have to copy and paste
the last two links in a new window for them to work
!!!
Peter Kurrild-Klitgaard
2014-11-10 15:04:59 UTC
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What is your point?

Peter Kurrild-Klitgaard
for Nicolai
2014-11-10 21:46:47 UTC
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Post by Peter Kurrild-Klitgaard
What is your point?
Peter Kurrild-Klitgaard
I made my point in my messaage to you on FB, if you still don't get it, than just keep on reposting somebody elses letters without checking them for accuracy!

as I said this sentence is not quite right!
"""3. .....................and the activities of the Order of Malta inside the Russian Empire, were entirely abolished in 1817 by Emperor Alexander I, ................ """"

they were still active, at least from 1874 till 1905 even though
on a "much smaller" scale, but active! ... and again I am only talking about the catholic order!
for Nicolai
2014-11-10 22:06:48 UTC
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the date 1872 is still up for discussion, since we can't agree
on the translation of this eyewitness account!
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3. L'avvenimento più recente e più importante per noi cattolici è la
solenne installazione del nuovo Metropolita di tutte le Chiese
cattoliche romane dell' Impero Russo, S. E. Revma Mgr A. Fialkowski,
Arcivescovo di Mohilew. La solenne funzione ebbe luogo nella Chiesa
cattolica romana maltese di S. Giovanni di Gerusalemme, la quale
trovasi entro il grandioso edifizio del corpo de'Paggi Imperiali. Uno
dei quattro Vescovi, qui presenti,
.....con tutti gli ecclesiastici della Chiesa maltese,..........
salutava il Metropolita e gli fece una specie di relazione delle
condizioni presenti della Chiesa cattolica in Russia. I vostri lettori
saranno però non poco sorpresi d' udire, che tale atto venne
effettuato non in lingua russa, ma sibbene in lingua francese."""
e $$iri k_i
2014-11-24 22:31:42 UTC
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Post by Peter Kurrild-Klitgaard
http://imperialhouse.ru/eng/allnews/news/2014/4099.html
"The Chancellery of the Russian Imperial House occasionally receives inquiries from inpiduals and organizations about its relationship to groups that refer to themselves as the "Order of St. John of Jerusalem," including so called "Orthodox" and "Russian" "Orders of Malta," "Priories," "Commanderies," and so on.
In each such instance, it is necessary to clarify that no one has the legal right to use modified names or symbols of the Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of St. John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta (hereinafter referred to as the Sovereign Order of Malta), which has a unquestionable historical and legal continuity from the moment of its founding, and which is recognized as a sovereign entity under international law, and which maintains diplomatic relations with more than 100 States around the world.
The Orthodox Russian Grand Priory was founded by Emperor Paul I in 1798 and was abolished by Emperor Alexander I in 1817. Since then no legitimate authority has reestablished it. Local attempts to revive its activities on a legal basis have not been successful, and all "Orthodox Order of St. John" organizations are illegitimate and offer a means of deception, including the trafficking in false "knighthoods."
Unfortunately, sometimes members of ancient Russian noble families, some of whose ancestors were members of the genuine Sovereign Order of Malta, have taken part (presumably out of ignorance or carelessness) in the activities of some of these pseudo-Order of Malta organizations. This is especially regrettable because it discredits historic traditional values, and damages the good name of these ancient families and the reputations of their descendants in Russia and the world over.
[...]
1. The founding of the Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of St. John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta occurred before the formal schism of the Church into the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church in 1054, but all of its history and activities are connected with the Roman Catholic Church. Pope Paschal II formally recognized the Order and placed it under his protection in 1113. In this way, the Sovereign Order of Malta has always been and remains a Catholic Order. All assertions that the Order of Malta is "non-denominational" and "inter-confessional," or that it is "Masonic" and so on, are absurd and do not stand up to scrutiny.
2. Emperor Paul I of Russia was elected to the position of Grand Master at the most critical moment in the history of the Order of Malta. He saved it from destruction and sought to make it not only an Order of Chivalry of the Russian Empire, but also an influential global force in the struggle for the values of Christian civilization that are common to Orthodox and Catholics. That election, however, never received the necessary legal confirmation on an international level. Some violations of procedures in his election (for example, the inability of a large number of electors to participate in the election, as required by the Statute of the Order) could be considered insignificant and not affecting the legitimacy of the outcome of the election, especially in view of the extreme situation in a Europe that was then being torn apart by revolution and war. Even so, the lack of any formal recognition of the legality of the election of Paul I by Pope Pius VI and Pius VII makes it impossible to consider him Grand Master de jure. He is properly honoured as the Protector of the Order and as de facto Grand Master only.
3. The Orthodox Grand Priory of Russia, and the activities of the Order of Malta inside the Russian Empire, were entirely abolished in 1817 by Emperor Alexander I, and there has not been any legitimate restoration.
4. Attempts by descendants of the Russian Orthodox Noble (hereditary) Commanders of the Order of Malta to revive the "Orthodox Grand Priory of Russia" after 1917 have not been successful. The historical memorial association that was established after the Russian Revolution was formed legitimately and for a time even enjoyed the support of the Russian Imperial House and the Sovereign Order of Malta. However, unauthorized actions by this organization in the 1970s deprived it of recognition from the House of Romanoff and the Sovereign Order of Malta.
5. All so-called "Orthodox" and other false "Orders of Malta" are, at best, a kind of childish game and, at worst, a source of fraud and political provocation. The philanthropic slogans of such organizations serve only as a cover for harmful activities. Belonging to a false order conveys no rights or duties of any sort, and certainly none of the rights or duties belonging to genuine knights of the Sovereign Order of Malta.
6. Protestant Orders of St. John (in Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden, and Great Britain) share the same historic tradition and the same mission of the Sovereign Order of Malta: giving assistance to the sick and the poor. These four orders have gained recognition by virtue of their having been instituted by the legitimate hereditary sovereigns of these nations, and by the subsequent recognition of them by the Sovereign Order of Malta. There is no possible comparison between these Protestant Orders of St. John and the clearly false "Orthodox Orders of Malta."
So even if she has all her facts straight, she is saying all orthodox orders are BS because the Russian orders are rescinded. The orthodox world encompasses more than just Russia, and she should speak only for Russia.
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