snakecharmer007
2006-03-08 21:00:10 UTC
MR GUY STAIR SAINTY will not remember me, but I do remember him as a
self important pompous young man of humble origin, yet desperate to
climb the social ladder from the very bottom to the very top. He showed
signs of delusions of grandeur, much to the amusement of fellow
onlookers in SMOM who (though many have since died) still peer down the
ladder at him, stuck someway below the rungs of the first quarter! That
is where he will remain, he will certainly never be admitted to SMOM
(the scandal of the headed paper was enough alone!). Some of the
British Association SMOM paper disappeared. On paper a statement
appeared saying that SMOM did not recognise the Constantinian Order of
the Duke of Castro but the Duke is a very senior member of SMOM, with
the highest rank of Bailiff Grand Cross of honour and Devotion and the
Cross of Profession, of which the only other holder is the King of
Spain.
hbbrown49 made an excellent posting in this forum on Wed, Jun 27 2001
5:37 pm headed Canonising Stair Sainty, Which summed the man up to a
tee, at least the young Sainy I had encountered so many years before.
He observed ... an arrogant and pompous ass, ill-mannered, a hater and
mocker, incapable of argument, ignorant of the wider Christian world, a
lover of braying, disliked by others, even members of his own Orders,
many of whom sip champagne with him at the reception, but then, fearful
of provoking him, leave to snicker quietly in the next room. Sainty's
chivalric "friends" keep him at a distance because they know that
he is an intolerant scoffer, one who laughs at the efforts of others
and who has the gall to taunt his own "friends" when they indulge in
Orders he hates.
Mr Sainty; Mr Stair-Sainty; "Baron" Guy Stair de Carnazet Sainty; "His
Excellency" or "Ecc.mo. Sr." "Don"!!! Guy Stair Sainty, as he been
variously described, is indeed an expert on false Orders.
He himself founded the absurd Confederation of Christian Chivalry with
Fernando Crociani. Crociani's current position as knight of SMOM will
not be helped by his links to Mr Sainty or the fact that some time ago,
the two of them were associated with diplomas which mysteriously
appeared bearing the name of Sainy, but elevated to the style of Baron!
Mr Sainty's close associate, Fernando Crociani, like Mr Sainty has been
the beneficiary of marriage annulments, in the case of the later, two,
annulled by the Sacra Rota. The second to a pianist resulting in
considerable scandal, well known in both Rome and in Lazio. Mr Crociani
uses the style of Professor, Count and Noble, but it is not known what
the origins of these styles are. It is only known that he is an
employee of the "Confcommercio" of Roma, the merchants trade-union.
Mr Sainty's partner Mr Crociani was admitted in the SMOM, as knight of
grace and devotion (100 years of nobility) in 1983. But recently the
heraldry commission of the Rome Grand Priorat SMOM began re-examining
his nobility evidences after discovering that he - even if his last
name is CROCIANI - altered his anagraphical documents, in order to
attach his short genealogy to the family named CRUCIANI, which is
properly noble.
Mr Crociani is also linked to the neofascist movement "Ordine Nuovo"
http://www.ctv.es/USERS/aje/octubre04.htm on whose website members are
seen giving nazi style salutes and seated under posters promoting their
counterpart M. le Penn, from France, which is also now Mr Sainty's
country of residence.
At the time of his close collaboration with Mr Crociani, as a young
man, Sainty was also known to Luciano Pelliciondi.
Pelliciondi never married and was never accused of the slightest
indiscretion with a woman. Fond of the company of young males, the
nineteen year old Sainty appears to have had an intimate enough
friendship with Pelliciondi for him to have been invested (and to have
accepted) the totally false Order of S. Giorgio in Carinzia. Whilst it
is unusual for a boy of this age to be invested in any order, false or
otherwise, he nevertheless had qualities (which had been hidden from
the rest of us at the time) to impress Pelliciondi sufficiently for him
to be granted the rank of Grand Officer.
In the International Herald Tribune in the Services section under
ARISTOCRAT NOBILITY and Titles, features an advertisement offering to
sell titles and nobility. The reply was the name and address of Mr Guy
Stair Sainty. How is this?
The comic Coat of Arms Mr Sainty uses today are not the ones he was
born with, they are his own creation. The Granting of arms by the King
of Arms of Margud de la Floresta to Mr Sainty is quite impossible. The
power to issue arms was restricted to cities or towns, not individuals.
If I am not mistaken the Spanish State Council (Supreme Court) said in
1995 that arms could not be issued in this way to private persons. It
was ruled that this power never existed and as a consequence these arms
cannot be used.
The arms are quite absurd, they use the mantle of a duke, although I
have only seen Mr Sainty falsely elevated to the rank of Count. The
arms feature some orders of which Mr Sainty is a low ranking member,
none are of the rank of Grand Cross. A strange combination with the
ducal mantle.
Mr Sainty is no stranger to denouncing people but then claiming that he
was wrong.
Mr Sainty denounced and then grovelled to and fully accepted the silly
claim of the so-called MacCarthy Mor, Prince of Desmond. In a letter of
12 June 1997. He stated... I full and unreservedly accept that you have
established your right to the title of MacCarthy Mor, and the tradition
and style of Prince of Desmond.....with all the surviving rights that
such title implies.... I want to make it clear that any sentiments to
the contrary that may be attributed to me in any communication bearing
my signature or elsewhere do not reflect my true opinion.
In the Constantinian Order the Grand master is said to be fed up with
Sainty and looking for an excuse to dump him. It will not be a shock if
he is gone soon, just awaiting the appropriate excuse.
It is known that Sainty announced the marriage of Don Carlos's son,
Prince Don Pedro, without permission and that he made a real scandal
when he tried to contact the Prince Antonio in order to manoeuvre the
Grand Majestry of the Constantinian Order his way. He was said to have
claimed that Don Carlos would renounce everything and cease to be Duke
of Calabria. Prince Antonio refused and Don Carlo was said to be
enraged by this ungentlemanly plot.
Mr Sainty describes himself as a scholar, but to the best of my
knowledge has, or had no academic qualifications? He needs to be
treated with a large pinch of salt. he is a mocker and spiteful
individual who actions and words betray the fact that he cannot be
taken seriously.
The limits to which Mr Sainty will go to be near those of rank knows no
bounds, even association with the notorious sorceress Carima (well
known trickster) and her drunk son is not too much to get close to the
King Kigeli of Rwanda-Urundi at the "ballo dei cento e non più cento",
http://www.ancestraltraditions.org/ballocento2005/carima.htm
self important pompous young man of humble origin, yet desperate to
climb the social ladder from the very bottom to the very top. He showed
signs of delusions of grandeur, much to the amusement of fellow
onlookers in SMOM who (though many have since died) still peer down the
ladder at him, stuck someway below the rungs of the first quarter! That
is where he will remain, he will certainly never be admitted to SMOM
(the scandal of the headed paper was enough alone!). Some of the
British Association SMOM paper disappeared. On paper a statement
appeared saying that SMOM did not recognise the Constantinian Order of
the Duke of Castro but the Duke is a very senior member of SMOM, with
the highest rank of Bailiff Grand Cross of honour and Devotion and the
Cross of Profession, of which the only other holder is the King of
Spain.
hbbrown49 made an excellent posting in this forum on Wed, Jun 27 2001
5:37 pm headed Canonising Stair Sainty, Which summed the man up to a
tee, at least the young Sainy I had encountered so many years before.
He observed ... an arrogant and pompous ass, ill-mannered, a hater and
mocker, incapable of argument, ignorant of the wider Christian world, a
lover of braying, disliked by others, even members of his own Orders,
many of whom sip champagne with him at the reception, but then, fearful
of provoking him, leave to snicker quietly in the next room. Sainty's
chivalric "friends" keep him at a distance because they know that
he is an intolerant scoffer, one who laughs at the efforts of others
and who has the gall to taunt his own "friends" when they indulge in
Orders he hates.
Mr Sainty; Mr Stair-Sainty; "Baron" Guy Stair de Carnazet Sainty; "His
Excellency" or "Ecc.mo. Sr." "Don"!!! Guy Stair Sainty, as he been
variously described, is indeed an expert on false Orders.
He himself founded the absurd Confederation of Christian Chivalry with
Fernando Crociani. Crociani's current position as knight of SMOM will
not be helped by his links to Mr Sainty or the fact that some time ago,
the two of them were associated with diplomas which mysteriously
appeared bearing the name of Sainy, but elevated to the style of Baron!
Mr Sainty's close associate, Fernando Crociani, like Mr Sainty has been
the beneficiary of marriage annulments, in the case of the later, two,
annulled by the Sacra Rota. The second to a pianist resulting in
considerable scandal, well known in both Rome and in Lazio. Mr Crociani
uses the style of Professor, Count and Noble, but it is not known what
the origins of these styles are. It is only known that he is an
employee of the "Confcommercio" of Roma, the merchants trade-union.
Mr Sainty's partner Mr Crociani was admitted in the SMOM, as knight of
grace and devotion (100 years of nobility) in 1983. But recently the
heraldry commission of the Rome Grand Priorat SMOM began re-examining
his nobility evidences after discovering that he - even if his last
name is CROCIANI - altered his anagraphical documents, in order to
attach his short genealogy to the family named CRUCIANI, which is
properly noble.
Mr Crociani is also linked to the neofascist movement "Ordine Nuovo"
http://www.ctv.es/USERS/aje/octubre04.htm on whose website members are
seen giving nazi style salutes and seated under posters promoting their
counterpart M. le Penn, from France, which is also now Mr Sainty's
country of residence.
At the time of his close collaboration with Mr Crociani, as a young
man, Sainty was also known to Luciano Pelliciondi.
Pelliciondi never married and was never accused of the slightest
indiscretion with a woman. Fond of the company of young males, the
nineteen year old Sainty appears to have had an intimate enough
friendship with Pelliciondi for him to have been invested (and to have
accepted) the totally false Order of S. Giorgio in Carinzia. Whilst it
is unusual for a boy of this age to be invested in any order, false or
otherwise, he nevertheless had qualities (which had been hidden from
the rest of us at the time) to impress Pelliciondi sufficiently for him
to be granted the rank of Grand Officer.
In the International Herald Tribune in the Services section under
ARISTOCRAT NOBILITY and Titles, features an advertisement offering to
sell titles and nobility. The reply was the name and address of Mr Guy
Stair Sainty. How is this?
The comic Coat of Arms Mr Sainty uses today are not the ones he was
born with, they are his own creation. The Granting of arms by the King
of Arms of Margud de la Floresta to Mr Sainty is quite impossible. The
power to issue arms was restricted to cities or towns, not individuals.
If I am not mistaken the Spanish State Council (Supreme Court) said in
1995 that arms could not be issued in this way to private persons. It
was ruled that this power never existed and as a consequence these arms
cannot be used.
The arms are quite absurd, they use the mantle of a duke, although I
have only seen Mr Sainty falsely elevated to the rank of Count. The
arms feature some orders of which Mr Sainty is a low ranking member,
none are of the rank of Grand Cross. A strange combination with the
ducal mantle.
Mr Sainty is no stranger to denouncing people but then claiming that he
was wrong.
Mr Sainty denounced and then grovelled to and fully accepted the silly
claim of the so-called MacCarthy Mor, Prince of Desmond. In a letter of
12 June 1997. He stated... I full and unreservedly accept that you have
established your right to the title of MacCarthy Mor, and the tradition
and style of Prince of Desmond.....with all the surviving rights that
such title implies.... I want to make it clear that any sentiments to
the contrary that may be attributed to me in any communication bearing
my signature or elsewhere do not reflect my true opinion.
In the Constantinian Order the Grand master is said to be fed up with
Sainty and looking for an excuse to dump him. It will not be a shock if
he is gone soon, just awaiting the appropriate excuse.
It is known that Sainty announced the marriage of Don Carlos's son,
Prince Don Pedro, without permission and that he made a real scandal
when he tried to contact the Prince Antonio in order to manoeuvre the
Grand Majestry of the Constantinian Order his way. He was said to have
claimed that Don Carlos would renounce everything and cease to be Duke
of Calabria. Prince Antonio refused and Don Carlo was said to be
enraged by this ungentlemanly plot.
Mr Sainty describes himself as a scholar, but to the best of my
knowledge has, or had no academic qualifications? He needs to be
treated with a large pinch of salt. he is a mocker and spiteful
individual who actions and words betray the fact that he cannot be
taken seriously.
The limits to which Mr Sainty will go to be near those of rank knows no
bounds, even association with the notorious sorceress Carima (well
known trickster) and her drunk son is not too much to get close to the
King Kigeli of Rwanda-Urundi at the "ballo dei cento e non più cento",
http://www.ancestraltraditions.org/ballocento2005/carima.htm