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Heraldry of Oxford Colleges
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c***@googlemail.com
2007-10-02 13:04:53 UTC
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Does anyone know of a publication like "The Cambridge Armorial" but
for Oxford instead?
Edward
2007-10-02 14:15:51 UTC
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Does anyone know of a publication like "The Cambridge Armorial" but
for Oxford instead?
I've got a mouse pad showing emblazons and founding dates of the
various colleges & schools within Oxford. Sorry no blazons. If
you're interested, I can email a scan to you in several days.

Regards,

Edward
c***@googlemail.com
2007-10-02 14:33:52 UTC
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Post by c***@googlemail.com
Does anyone know of a publication like "The Cambridge Armorial" but
for Oxford instead?
I've got a mouse pad showing emblazons and founding dates of the
various colleges & schools within Oxford. Sorry no blazons. If
you're interested, I can email a scan to you in several days.
Thanks for the offer, but I was really looking for blazons and some
explanations of the origins. Someone e-mailed asking if there is a
good list of this sort of information available. I replied saying that
I knew of none but would ask around. (She had been looking at the
various college web-sites and found the information that different
colleges offer very variable.)
Turenne
2007-10-02 14:51:54 UTC
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Here's a nice explanation of the Brasenose arms:

http://www.bnc.ox.ac.uk/history/his/page5.html

Many colleges seem to have adopted arms without proper authority.
Maybe that's why you're having difficulty in finding a compendium of
blazons..

Richard Lichten
c***@googlemail.com
2007-10-02 15:38:57 UTC
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Post by Turenne
http://www.bnc.ox.ac.uk/history/his/page5.html
Many colleges seem to have adopted arms without proper authority.
Maybe that's why you're having difficulty in finding a compendium of
blazons..
That would certainly make listing official blazons difficult but it
should still be possible to produce a list of origins, allusions and
such like.
Nathaniel Taylor
2007-10-02 18:09:05 UTC
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Post by Turenne
http://www.bnc.ox.ac.uk/history/his/page5.html
Many colleges seem to have adopted arms without proper authority.
Maybe that's why you're having difficulty in finding a compendium of
blazons..
There is an interesting analogy in the arms of the houses of Harvard
University. Harvard assumed arms for itself already in the 17th
century. By the end of the 19th century variants began to appear for
many of the diversified faculties. Around 1930 the university was
reorganized into residential 'houses' (modeled on the Oxford and
Cambridge colleges; they currently hold about 300-400 undergraduates
each). Each was named after an individual or family prominent in the
history of Harvard or of Massachusetts. Each house soon began to use
arms. Some were derived from legitimate (English) arms of the houses'
namesakes; others were made from scratch, with varying degrees of
inventiveness and design quality. At least a couple were
misappropriated from arms belonging to people of the same surname, but
unrelated to the namesake of the house (e.g. Eliot House: President
Eliot of Harvard descended from a family of East Coker, Somerset, which
is, I think, not known to have been armigerous; the arms are those of
another family). In some cases the house arms were deliberately
differenced from those of the namesake (or whatever the source may have
been), but not, I think, in every case.

A readable descriptive survey and narrative history of Harvard's
heraldry was compiled by prof. Mason Hammond: "A Harvard armory,"
_Harvard Library Bulletin_ v. 29.3 & 29.4 (1981); and "Supplement to a
Harvard armory," _Harvard Library Bulletin_ 34.3 (1986).

The residential colleges at Yale University, organized around the same
time, were also named after prominent men associated with Yale or the
Connecticut colony--some legimitately armigerous and some not. I do not
know whether Yale did the same thing in developing arms for its
colleges.

Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net
Laurence Jones
2007-10-02 18:55:59 UTC
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Post by Turenne
Many colleges seem to have adopted arms without proper authority.
IIRC, the University of Oxford and its constituent colleges have at times
claimed to be exempt from the jurisdiction of the College of Arms, which
would explain the number of assumed arms.

For instance, I found this at Google books, talking about the arms of
Hertford College::

"Whether the University of Oxford and the Colleges thereof are, or are not,
outside the jurisdiction of the Heralds is a highly controversial question,
on which i do not propose to enter. Though something very like a Herld's
Visitation took place in 1574, it is certain that the University refused to
be visited in 1634, and that no attempt was made to include it in the
post-restoration Visitations. Practically the University claims exemption,
and it would, perhaps, be an act of treachery on the part of the college to
apply to the Heralds for a grant of arms..."

(University of Oxford College Histories by John Buchan, Henry William
Carless Davis, Paul Wells)
Raveem
2007-10-02 19:09:24 UTC
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Some of the more modern Colleges took a good long look at previous
heraldic tradition before deciding which route to adopt. Whilst I was
at Wolfson, I read how their arms came about. It appears that they
were aware of the "tradition" of Oxford Colleges assuming arms without
the CoA. They also realised that since many of the Colleges were
ancient, their assumption "carried more weight" than if you or I were
to assume arms. Eventually, to be on the safe side, Wolfson went down
the CoA route. It's a pity Wolfson no longer provide the document on
the website since it was quite informative.

Raveem.
Laurence Jones
2007-10-02 19:27:08 UTC
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Post by Raveem
It's a pity Wolfson no longer provide the document on
the website since it was quite informative.
Is this it?
http://163.1.183.222/college/arms/
Turenne
2007-10-02 19:50:36 UTC
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As far as the rights of certain colleges to display arms were
concerned, many of course adopted the arms of their founders, e.g.
Pembroke/the 3rd earl (differenced), The House/Wolsey, Wadham/Nicholas
Wadham (I think) and New/William Wykeham. I expect that no permission
was needed from the College of Arms, except in those cases where the
arms were devised specifically for the college (as per Wolfson).

Richard Lichten
Raveem
2007-10-02 20:09:32 UTC
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That's the one! Well done in digging it up.

Raveem.
Post by Raveem
It's a pity Wolfson no longer provide the document on
the website since it was quite informative.
Is this it?http://163.1.183.222/college/arms/
Raveem
2007-10-02 14:54:38 UTC
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I'd be interested in this as well. As the Secretary of the almost-
dormant Oxford University Heraldry Society (founded 1835), the
frequent lapses in continuous society existence over the decades has
led to inconsistent promotion of heraldry in Oxford and a dearth of
centralised knowledge about the local heraldry as well.

Regards.

Raveem.
s***@acay.com.au
2007-10-03 00:09:30 UTC
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Does anyone know of a publication like "The Cambridge Armorial" but
for Oxford instead?
Francis Pierrepont Barnard and Major T Shepard, "Arms and Blazons of
the Colleges of Oxford" (Oxford University Press, London, 1929)

This features the arms of 22 colleges, in colour, giving the blazon
and also has notes on the provenance of the arms. It is a handy
little book.

Stephen Michael Szabo
c***@googlemail.com
2007-10-03 09:15:38 UTC
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Post by c***@googlemail.com
Does anyone know of a publication like "The Cambridge Armorial" but
for Oxford instead?
Francis Pierrepont Barnard and Major T Shepard, "Arms and Blazons of
the Colleges of Oxford" (Oxford University Press, London, 1929)
This features the arms of 22 colleges, in colour, giving the blazon
and also has notes on the provenance of the arms. It is a handy
little book.
Many thanks for that. I shall let my correspondent know ... and also
think about investing in a copy myself!
Peter
2007-10-04 08:22:13 UTC
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The Oxford University Calendar also includes the blazon of each college's
arms. Reproduced here:

http://www.netsoc.tcd.ie/~peterh/armsoxon.html

The backs of the Wills's cigarette card set might also be interesting:

http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgkeysearchresult.cfm?keyword=arms+oxford

Peter
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Post by s***@acay.com.au
Post by c***@googlemail.com
Does anyone know of a publication like "The Cambridge Armorial" but
for Oxford instead?
Francis Pierrepont Barnard and Major T Shepard, "Arms and Blazons of
the Colleges of Oxford" (Oxford University Press, London, 1929)
This features the arms of 22 colleges, in colour, giving the blazon
and also has notes on the provenance of the arms. It is a handy
little book.
Many thanks for that. I shall let my correspondent know ... and also
think about investing in a copy myself!
Raveem
2007-10-16 16:02:22 UTC
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I managed to get that book for about a tenner (ex-libris of course).
It's a handy little thing.

I notice with some distress that the big old Colleges are given place
of pride at the front with lengthy descriptions, whilst my current
affiliation (the venerable St Edmund Hall) has but a snippet buried at
the back somewhere and no proper acknowledgment of its unique history.
Doubtless the hierarchy between Colleges remains/remained alive and
well.

Raveem.
Post by s***@acay.com.au
Francis Pierrepont Barnard and Major T Shepard, "Arms and Blazons of
the Colleges of Oxford" (Oxford University Press, London, 1929)
This features the arms of 22 colleges, in colour, giving the blazon
and also has notes on the provenance of the arms. It is a handy
little book.
Stephen Michael Szabo
Dr Raveem Ismail
2015-11-05 02:49:41 UTC
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Oxford Today has an excellent piece by alumnus Dr John Tepper Marlin on the heraldry of Oxford and its colleges. Scan of extract here in case of interest:

https://goo.gl/362Oao

Dr Raveem Ismail.
Derek Howard
2015-11-05 08:38:16 UTC
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Post by Dr Raveem Ismail
https://goo.gl/362Oao
Dr Raveem Ismail.
Thanks for posting this link. I found it is especially interesting as it addresses the modern colleges.

Derek Howard

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