Count of Tara

[Turenne]

I noticed in today's 'Telegraph' the announcement of a birth of a
daughter to the Count and Countess of Tara. Wiki gives this info on
the 'title' (I can't find anything else), and details of the Tara coat
of arms:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_of_Tara

Is this a Papal title, a made up title...or what...?

RL

[quisling]

Since the 'References' link is to Russian heraldry, it would lead one to
assume this is a Russian title.

Post by Turenne
I noticed in today's 'Telegraph' the announcement of a birth of a
daughter to the Count and Countess of Tara. Wiki gives this info on
the 'title' (I can't find anything else), and details of the Tara coat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_of_Tara
Is this a Papal title, a made up title...or what...?
RL

[Turenne]

Post by quisling
Since the 'References' link is to Russian heraldry, it would lead one to
assume this is a Russian title.

A fake then...

RL

[Frhr.v.Recum]

Post by quisling
Since the 'References' link is to Russian heraldry, it would lead one to
assume this is a Russian title.

And again this funny * Almanach de Gotha, London, 2001, ISBN
0-9532-1423-0

one should ask Maria.

FvR

[Frhr.v.Recum]

Post by Turenne
I noticed in today's 'Telegraph' the announcement of a birth of a
daughter to the Count and Countess of Tara. Wiki gives this info on
the 'title' (I can't find anything else), and details of the Tara coat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_of_Tara
Is this a Papal title, a made up title...or what...?
RL

very likely made up - if it's not the Irish.
in none of the extensive registers incl. the Spanish, not in the French
lists of made up nobility and not even in the Bottin Mondain (full of
such people).
FvR

[Hovite]

Post by Turenne
I noticed in today's 'Telegraph' the announcement of a birth of a
daughter to the Count and Countess of Tara. Wiki gives this info on
the 'title' (I can't find anything else), and details of the Tara coat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_of_Tara
Is this a Papal title, a made up title...or what...?
RL

Why not ask the person who created the page?

[Zdenek Kucera]

According to Spanish and French version of this wiki article, it is
Montenegrian title, named after river Tara in northern Montenegro. It
was created in 2010 for John James (born 1978).

Russian link says nothing about "Cound of Tara". Probably hoax.

[Turenne]

Post by Zdenek Kucera
According to Spanish and French version of this wiki article, it is
Montenegrian title, named after river Tara in northern Montenegro. It
was created in 2010 for John James (born 1978).
Russian link says nothing about "Cound of Tara". Probably hoax.

Thank you all.

The 'Count' has a bit of a nerve announcing the birth of his child
'Countess Allegra Carys' in a reputable newspaper like 'The
Telegraph'. Here's the actual announcement:

http://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/births/128646/james-of-tara

RL

[GFL]

Post by Turenne

Post by Zdenek Kucera
According to Spanish and French version of this wiki article, it is
Montenegrian title, named after river Tara in northern Montenegro. It
was created in 2010 for John James (born 1978).
Russian link says nothing about "Cound of Tara". Probably hoax.

Thank you all.
The 'Count' has a bit of a nerve announcing the birth of his child
'Countess Allegra Carys' in a reputable newspaper like 'The
http://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/births/128646/james-of-tara
RL

Hmmm,
If you look at http://www.orderofdanilo.org/en/chancellery/index.htm
you will see a Mr. John E. James listed as Grand Prefect of this
Montenegrin dynastic Order.
If I recall he also one of the authors along with John Gvozdenovic
Kennedy (Grand Chancellor) of the London published (and oft criticized
here) editions of the Gotha (2004 or 2006?)
Does anyone know whether Prince Nikola II has created other Montengrin
titles? I do not believe that the former Kindgom of Montenegro had a
tradition of such titles.
Kind regards,
George Lucki

[Turenne]

Post by Turenne

Post by Zdenek Kucera
According to Spanish and French version of this wiki article, it is
Montenegrian title, named after river Tara in northern Montenegro. It
was created in 2010 for John James (born 1978).
Russian link says nothing about "Cound of Tara". Probably hoax.

Thank you all.
The 'Count' has a bit of a nerve announcing the birth of his child
'Countess Allegra Carys' in a reputable newspaper like 'The
http://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/births/128646/james-of-tara
RL

Hmmm,
If you look athttp://www.orderofdanilo.org/en/chancellery/index.htm
you will see a Mr. John E. James listed as Grand Prefect of this
Montenegrin dynastic Order.
If I recall he also one of the authors along with John Gvozdenovic
Kennedy (Grand Chancellor) of the London published (and oft criticized
here) editions of the Gotha (2004 or 2006?)
Does anyone know whether Prince Nikola II has created other Montengrin
titles? I do not believe that the former Kindgom of Montenegro had a
tradition of such titles.
Kind regards,
George Lucki

As you imply; Montenegro has no tradition of conferring comital
titles. That said, I can't find any examples of Prince Nikola
conferring any titles either. I can only assume that the title 'Count
of Tara' is entirely self conferred.

It should be noted that none of the leader's of The True People's
Party (Jovan S. Plamenac, Lazar Mijušković, Mitar Radulović), the main
monarchist party of Montenegro between 1907 and 1918 were ennobled. If
any baronial or comital titles existed in Montenegro at that time, one
would expect one or all of the above would have been ennobled.

Richard L

[Frhr.v.Recum]

Post by Turenne

Post by Zdenek Kucera
According to Spanish and French version of this wiki article, it is
Montenegrian title, named after river Tara in northern Montenegro. It
was created in 2010 for John James (born 1978).
Russian link says nothing about "Cound of Tara". Probably hoax.

Thank you all.
The 'Count' has a bit of a nerve announcing the birth of his child
'Countess Allegra Carys' in a reputable newspaper like 'The
http://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/births/128646/james-of-tara
RL

1) where do they live ?
2) was there a wedding announcement ?
3) what about the birth certificate of this "countess"
4) has anyone access to the relevant page in this Almanach
and to the preface of this book ?
5) is the "title" british style or continental ?
6) is it worthwhile to give a hint to The Telegraph ?
They might write a critical article.

FvR

[Turenne]

Post by Frhr.v.Recum

Post by Turenne

Post by Zdenek Kucera
According to Spanish and French version of this wiki article, it is
Montenegrian title, named after river Tara in northern Montenegro. It
was created in 2010 for John James (born 1978).
Russian link says nothing about "Cound of Tara". Probably hoax.

Thank you all.
The 'Count' has a bit of a nerve announcing the birth of his child
'Countess Allegra Carys' in a reputable newspaper like 'The
http://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/births/128646/james-of-tara
RL

1) where do they live ?
2) was there a wedding announcement ?
3) what about the birth certificate of this "countess"
4) has anyone access to the relevant page in this Almanach
and to the preface of this book ?
5) is the "title" british style or continental ?
6) is it worthwhile to give a hint to The Telegraph ?
They might write a critical article.
FvR

You know as much as I do.

Sadly; The Telegraph doesn't check the bona fides of people who
announce births. I doubt that they wold follow up birth annoncements
made by fake counts.#

RL

[Turenne]

I have just been given to understand that the announcement in 'The
Telegraph' was a joke at Mr James' expense, and that he didn't make
the announcent himself.

Richard L

[GFL]

Post by Turenne
I have just been given to understand that the announcement in 'The
Telegraph' was a joke at Mr James' expense, and that he didn't make
the announcent himself.
Richard L

That is unfortunate. Making a joke at someone's expense is poor form,
but making a joke at the expense of a baby in her birth announcement
is really just shameful.
George Lucki

[The Chief]

Post by Turenne
I have just been given to understand that the announcement in 'The
Telegraph' was a joke at Mr James' expense, and that he didn't make
the announcent himself.
Richard L

Richard,
Now you have me confused. The birth announcement makes no mention
of a Mr James. How therefore can it be a joke at his expense?

Regards,
The Chief

[Frhr.v.Recum]

Post by Turenne
I have just been given to understand that the announcement in 'The
Telegraph' was a joke at Mr James' expense, and that he didn't make
the announcent himself.
Richard L

and all the WIKIPEDIA entries ?
one could find out who did it by the history and the ID !
Is there a TARA article in the Kennedy Almanach de Gotha ?

[Frhr.v.Recum]

Post by Turenne
I have just been given to understand that the announcement in 'The
Telegraph' was a joke at Mr James' expense, and that he didn't make
the announcent himself.
Richard L

and all the WIKIPEDIA entries ?
(one could find out who did it via the history and the ID ! )
Is there a TARA article in the Kennedy Almanach de Gotha ?
Is there a baby at all ?

[Turenne]

Am 03.02.2011 23:12, schrieb Turenne:> I have just been given to understand that the announcement in 'The

Post by Turenne
Telegraph' was a joke at Mr James' expense, and that he didn't make
the announcent himself.
Richard L

 >
and all the WIKIPEDIA entries ?
(one could find out who did it via the history and the ID ! )
Is there a TARA article in the Kennedy Almanach de Gotha ?
Is there a baby at all ?

Yes. I believe there is...

RL

[Graham Milne]

Post by Turenne

Am 03.02.2011 23:12, schrieb Turenne:> I have just been given to understand that the announcement in 'The

Post by Turenne
Telegraph' was a joke at Mr James' expense, and that he didn't make
the announcent himself.
Richard L

 >
and all the WIKIPEDIA entries ?
(one could find out who did it via the history and the ID ! )
Is there a TARA article in the Kennedy Almanach de Gotha ?
Is there a baby at all ?

Yes. I believe there is...
RL

Presumably the baby is a 'Little Tara' (terror). Hahaha!

[Jozef Puzyna]

Post by Graham Milne

Post by Turenne

Am 03.02.2011 23:12, schrieb Turenne:> I have just been given to understand that the announcement in 'The

Post by Turenne
Telegraph' was a joke at Mr James' expense, and that he didn't make
the announcent himself.
Richard L

 >
and all the WIKIPEDIA entries ?
(one could find out who did it via the history and the ID ! )
Is there a TARA article in the Kennedy Almanach de Gotha ?
Is there a baby at all ?

Yes. I believe there is...
RL

Presumably the baby is a 'Little Tara' (terror). Hahaha!

Good morning,
I have allowed myself to enter your group discussion having found it by seeking information about Count Tara. The Count has contacted me on behalf of the Almanach de Gotha, asking for the information about the family. The information includes postal adresses, which are sensitive data. It seem a bit strange to me. I have looked up the copy of AdG from 1912 to find out that no adresses are available. I would appreciate the advice, whether the contemporary office of AdG can be trusted.
Kindest regards,
Jozef Puzyna

[a***@mac.com]

Post by Turenne
I noticed in today's 'Telegraph' the announcement of a birth of a
daughter to the Count and Countess of Tara. Wiki gives this info on
the 'title' (I can't find anything else), and details of the Tara coat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_of_Tara
Is this a Papal title, a made up title...or what...?
RL

There is no such title...this just smells of faux nobility...sort of like "Fauxbergé!"

I guess there is a market for everything!