Mysterious princiary ecclesiastical arms

[Zwartendÿk]

See http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=17359.0
Whose is it?
Sinister inescutcheon the princely county of Görz?

[Turenne]

Post by Zwartendÿk
See http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=17359.0
Whose is it?
Sinister inescutcheon the princely county of Görz?

Very interesting. The family arms are probably on the dexter inescutcheon, but I can't make out the charge...The sinister inescutcheon certainly looks like Gorz, as does the sinister crest.

RL

[Turenne]

Post by Turenne

Post by Zwartendÿk
See http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=17359.0
Whose is it?
Sinister inescutcheon the princely county of Görz?

Very interesting. The family arms are probably on the dexter inescutcheon, but I can't make out the charge...The sinister inescutcheon certainly looks like Gorz, as does the sinister crest.

Zwartendÿk

Did you discover the identity of the arms you asked about. For various reasons too boring to recount, I thought it may be a member of the Eggenberg family; needless to say, I was wrong...

RL

[for Nicolai]

Hi RL,

you were right,
http://www.manfredhiebl.de/Genealogien/Goerz/grafen_von_goerz.htm

but the other eludes me as well.......especially since I am not sure what it is, can't see the details

[Turenne]

Hi

Post by for Nicolai
you were right,

Marvellous; I love being right.....er.....what was I right about? :)


RL

[for Nicolai]

er..... Zwartendÿk was right!
:D
At least, you were right about that ;)

...and for myself I claim:
"""The greatest right in the world, is the right to be wrong."""
;)

[for Nicolai]

may this help a little...

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[Turenne]

Post by for Nicolai
may this help a little...
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/831/5cda94closeup.jpg/

Hello chaps:

Grafschaft Görz

1101 - 1107 Aquileja

1107 - 1500 Meinhardinger (Reichsfürsten 1374)

1500 - Habsburg bzw. Österreich

1754 - Vereinigung der Grafschaften Görz und Gradisca zur gefürsteten Grafschaft in Österreich

1809 - 1814 Frankreich

1816 - Österreich

1919 - Italien

1947 - Teile an Jugoslawien

---

Gradisca

1471 - 1481 Venedig erbaut am rechten Ufer des Isonzo gegen die Türken die Festung Gradisca (d’Isonzo)

1521 - als Grenzfestung an Österreich

1647 - 1717 als Grafschaft an die Fürsten v. Eggenberg

1717 - Österreich

1754 - Vereinigung der Grafschaften Görz und Gradisca zur gefürsteten Grafschaft in Österreich


SOURCE
Köbler, Gerhard
Historisches Lexikon der deutschen Länder
Die deutschen Territorien vom Mittelalter bis zur Gegenwart
München: Verlag C.H. Beck 2007. 7. Aufl.
S. 225 f.

Could the other inescutcheon be Eggenberg?

http://thomas-sz.com/web_adel/andrasek/eggenberg.html

RL

[Turenne]

Post by Zwartendÿk
See http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=17359.0
Whose is it?
Sinister inescutcheon the princely county of Görz?

A friend informs me that the portrait sitter may be an "Erzdiakon von Görz" (archdeacon of Gorizia). Before Gorizia was raised to an archbishopric in 1751 Austria forced the Patriarch of Aquileja to appoint an archdeacon for Gorizia in 1575.

The archive of the archbishopric of Gorizia
http://www.gorizia.chiesacattolica.it/spip.php?rubrique98

Philippus Strassoldo
b Farra d’Isonzo 24 Jul 1672
d Gorizia 3 Jun 1715
11th Archdeacon of Gorizia (14 Oct 1702)

He lived in 1713 and was 41 years old.

This may explain his princely arms:

Presumably this is his family:

http://www.geneall.net/D/per_page.php?id=107835

http://www.geneall.net/I/fam_names.php?id=79500

RL

[for Nicolai]

Hi RL,

...my problem is, that I see two lances crossed,
but maybe it's just my problem or I have a kink in both eyes!

...but in the center (above the ring???),
there possibly could be a crown!???

[for Nicolai]

this is the best he can do!!!

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Post by Zwartendÿk
See http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=17359.0
Whose is it?
Sinister inescutcheon the princely county of Görz?

The crown on top is clearly pricial
The medal might be that of the Domstift.

Quarterly
1&4 the imperial eagle
2&3 gu. a fess arg. and 2 lions ramp. comb. or supporting a column (spear, sword ?) or in chief a crown

dexter inescutcheon
Sa. 2 swords (spears ?) in saltire pierced through an annulet or

sinister inescutcheon
Görtz (Ct). Tranché: 1: d'az. 1 lion d'or; 2: d'arg. 2 barres de gu. cq.cour.; C.: 1 chapeau piramidal d'arg. semé de trèfles de gu. et sommé de 5 pl.d'aut. d'arg.

[for Nicolai]

Post by re
Sa. 2 swords (spears ?) in saltire pierced through an annulet or

Sa. 2 Lances in saltire overlayed with a Choir Cincture Arg.

(or just a cincture Arg.???)

there has to be something in the middle,
looks faintly like a Goose-Swans neck with a crown around the neck!???????????


But my guess is just as good as any!
:(

these things are very hard to paint, especially in oil and in this size .... I know,............
so the "annulet" still could be part of it!

[Turenne]

Frank Martinoff sent me the answer!

It is the coat of arms of the Counts of Wicka (Wicka to Wickenburg and Reinegg). Part of the symbols appeared in Siebmacher Volume VI (?) At the baronial on, are there as "Wibsa" called. That the "Wibsa" but the Wicka are meant to be a supplementary volume of Siebmachers (p. 10, right column) refer. The baronial coat of arms is based on a presentation on a grave stone in the St. Nicholas Parish Church Hall described (Tyrol), read in the publications of the Tiroler Landesmuseum Ferdinandeum, 3/20 (1876), p.25 below . increased the count's coat of arms can be seen in the form of a bookplate for Adam Franz Anton Graf von Maria Wicka with the baronial compare. In addition, there are currently two leaves crest on EBAY to see. Wicka Heraldry ARMS 1776 , and Wicka: ARMS 1819 . (Fig. larger scroll down) I suspect that the Gorizia sign in increased count's coat of arms indicates a function of the family in the service of the Habsburgs. Evidence that there are possibly in the description of bookplates. The actual counts of Gorizia were indeed in the 18th century . extinct for a long time (even in passing, - the Latin name Aetatis Suae on the portrait - means "his age," The number is, however, faded black-red robe () and the cross with a Mother of God () could be on.? Would suggest special.) Greetings

Well done Frank!

Richard

[for Nicolai]

Post by Turenne
Frank Martinoff sent me the answer!
It is the coat of arms of the Counts of Wicka (Wicka to Wickenburg and Reinegg). Part of the symbols appeared in Siebmacher Volume VI (?) At the baronial on, are there as "Wibsa" called. That the "Wibsa" but the Wicka are meant to be a supplementary volume of Siebmachers (p. 10, right column) refer. The baronial coat of arms is based on a presentation on a grave stone in the St. Nicholas Parish Church Hall described (Tyrol), read in the publications of the Tiroler Landesmuseum Ferdinandeum, 3/20 (1876), p.25 below . increased the count's coat of arms can be seen in the form of a bookplate for Adam Franz Anton Graf von Maria Wicka with the baronial compare. In addition, there are currently two leaves crest on EBAY to see. Wicka Heraldry ARMS 1776 , and Wicka: ARMS 1819 . (Fig. larger scroll down) I suspect that the Gorizia sign in increased count's coat of arms indicates a function of the family in the service of the Habsburgs. Evidence that there are possibly in the description of bookplates. The actual counts of Gorizia were indeed in the 18th century . extinct for a long time (even in passing, - the Latin name Aetatis Suae on the portrait - means "his age," The number is, however, faded black-red robe () and the cross with a Mother of God () could be on.? Would suggest special.) Greetings
Well done Frank!
Richard

Dear Richard,
thank you very much for posting and translating it,
but the credit for the answer has to go to "Simplicius"
who ever he might be! ;)

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Am Montag, 21. Januar 2013 12:56:43 UTC+1 schrieb
any improvements, changes, other views on the proposed blazoning ?